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Show HN: We moved our Phase III 12.1 nautical miles offshore (yikescombinator.com)
847 points by mv_consent 3 hours ago | 214 comments

pedant_at_sea 3 hours ago

Minor nitpick: 12 nautical miles is the territorial sea, but the contiguous zone extends to 24nm and coastal states retain enforcement rights there for customs, fiscal, immigration and sanitary matters (UNCLOS Art. 33). A clinical trial is arguably sanitary. You want to be at 24.1, not 12.1.

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mv_consent 2 hours ago

Founder here. This is great feedback. We've relayed it to the bridge and are repositioning now. This is why I love this community.

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pedant_at_sea 2 hours ago

Happy to help. For what it's worth the EEZ goes to 200nm but that only covers resources, and I don't think your participants count as a resource.

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ggb_caspian 2 hours ago

Speak for yourself.

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throwaway_irb_2291 3 hours ago

I sat on an IRB for eleven years. I read the protocol they linked. I want to be clear that I am horrified, and I also want to note that their consent form is four pages and readable, which is more than I ever got a sponsor to agree to on land.

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admiralty_but_for_startups 2 hours ago

This is the thing nobody wants to say out loud. The onshore process isn't optimized for participant safety either. It's optimized for defensibility. These people just removed the thing being defended against.

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throwaway_irb_2291 1 hour ago

Those are not the same problem and I'd ask you not to agree with me.

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rustacean_42 2 hours ago

What's the stack on the vessel? Curious how you handle EDC with intermittent satellite uplink.

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mv_consent 2 hours ago

Postgres on the ship, logical replication when we have a link. Honestly the hardest part is that timestamps are ambiguous when nobody will confirm what time zone you're in.

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grumpy_bsd 2 hours ago

We have now reached the point where "move fast and break things" has a body count denominator. I'm sure the comments will be about the database.

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rustacean_42 1 hour ago

In fairness it's an interesting database problem.

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seasteader_og 1 hour ago

We tried this in 2011 and everyone laughed. The only difference is these guys have a lido deck.

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modhaz 1 hour ago

We've detached a subthread about whether the captain can perform last rites. Please keep discussion substantive. Also, a reminder that the site guidelines ask you not to post from the vessel's wifi if you're a participant; it unblinds the study.

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